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Sadistic-Half-Demon Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2016
I'm american, and I'm guess theirs nothing outsides can do to support the women of Poland?
Ra, Is there anything we can do to help support you? 
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Tikam-Alun-Kunuri Featured By Owner Edited Oct 6, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Ty chyba nie mówisz poważnie, że wierzysz w te brednie, które mają na celu tylko obrażać Polskę przez samych Polaków, którym źle, że wygrali euro-sceptycy, a nie ich ukochana partia co prawie wysprzedała całą Polskę w imię Europejskiej Integracji?

Zresztą, ta szopka przykryła coś, co nie będzie miłe dla Polski, bo u nas jest zakazane GMO, a w Unii nie. I teraz to MY będziemy musieli zmienić prawo - bo inaczej sankcje. Nie pamiętasz już szopki z uchodźcami, że nazywano nas ksenofobami, bo nie chcieliśmy uchodźców a sami wyjeżdżali z Polski do np. Niemiec - bo u nas NIE MA zasiłków dla pasożytów?
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Delcatycharme Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2016
What's going on?
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Botteled-Wolf Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
In Poland abortion is legal only when the pregnancy is a direct threat to the mother's life, when fetus is irreversably malformed or when pregnancy is an effect of a rape or an incest. There's a project of a new abortion law that would allow the intervention only in the first situation, so a lot of polish women (and men) are protesting against it. The whole event is called "The Black Protest"
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Tikam-Alun-Kunuri Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Don't listen to these fucktards. The whole thing is a scam and there's nothing about such a thing like punishing mother for miscarriage.
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Botteled-Wolf Featured By Owner Edited Oct 6, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I didn't write anything about punishing mothers, no need to call me names, you know?
I've read the law b.t.w.
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t00trenka Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
its a protest in Poland, against the new abortion law
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Domisea Featured By Owner Edited Oct 5, 2016  Student General Artist
What a pity that most of the people didn't even read that law :mardy: emote . I'm not defending it, but I also don't like the fact that now foreign people have false information about it and think "WTF Polish's government want to kill women omg" which can generally affect their opinion about Poles. Though I hope not.
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Tikam-Alun-Kunuri Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Up. UP UP.
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StereoJester Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
how much better the world would become if peeps would listen to some of Carlin's speeches 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3…
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Chillaid Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016  Student General Artist
My word the government there is abhorrent...

You all have my full support, is there any way I can help?
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K-Zlovetch Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016
Ho my...
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TheGhoulAvenue Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016  Student Digital Artist
You go! The polish government is fucking horrid.
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TheDarkZifara Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What...what is gong on?
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Read the comments, there are many people explaining it in there!
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LadyFromEast Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
^
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Perkelee Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Ye, ale pomimo prawa jest coś takiego że w szpitalach rodzą się martwe dzieci i każdy udaj że nie wie czemu. Teraz czarny rynek jeszcze bardziej zakwitnie. Nic tylko płakać
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Shampeld Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016  Student Digital Artist
to ostatnie pięknie ujęte
Ale przecież pedofile w czarnych sukienkach muszą mieć więcej dzieci do molestowania :^
Wybaczcie ogarnął mnie hejt przez tą sytuację
Szatan we mnie wrze

Oj polska ucierpi przez ten PiS...
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CarmelDog Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016
This shit is fucking unbelivable. Don't people from our government have kids and families too? Would they want to die or lose their wifes just because of this new law???
And don't we have anything to say in this situation? They're just, like, gonna do it? Because THEY want to??
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Tikam-Alun-Kunuri Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
The whole thing is scam based on internet bullshit. I've read the law and there's nothing like these stupid women (note I heavily respect the opposite gender) screamed. I just went "what the fuck" and realized whole thing was to cover up CETA, which will introduce GMO into Poland through European Union - GMO in out contry is strictly forbidden, unlike in EU.
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Gloomy-Butt Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I bet you the moment a politician's wife dies from this, they'll suspend the law because "Oh no! MY wife died from this! Forget about all those lower people!" They're such flakes..
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CarmelDog Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2016
Yeah, that's gonna happen. Hopefully in the near future. Not that I want anybody to die, they are the ones who do everything that leads to it.
And you know what one women politician said about all this? That she had abortion 5 times and that she's very sorry and has a big trauma because of it. 5. TIMES.
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SUMN22 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Is There Something I'm Not Getting Here?
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Nylhea Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
one of the flaws of human beings is always clings to life is probably unnecessary,
while destroying and devouring others.
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Omnoproxyl337 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Women deserve to choose what they do with their bodies, a bunch of old men/women sitting in an office do not know what women out in the cities know what they're going through at all or the circumstances, they have no right to choose that for them.
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Tikam-Alun-Kunuri Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
The whole thing is scam based on internet bullshit. I've read the law and there's nothing like these stupid women (note I heavily respect the opposite gender) screamed. I just went "what the fuck" and realized whole thing was to cover up CETA, which will introduce GMO into Poland through European Union - GMO in out contry is strictly forbidden, unlike in EU.
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Omnoproxyl337 Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
weather or not you believe its a scam has little impact on the thing i just said, women have the right to choose what they do with their bodies and none gets to decide that for them.
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Assassinendergirl Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's not really the woman's body though. When a pregnant woman is killed, it is ruled a double homicide, for they are too seperate vessels. For the sake of arguement, let's compare a fetus to a parasite. Say you have a parasite living inside of you and feeding off of you. Are you that parasite? Is the parasite YOU? No, you are two seperate beings. I'm not against abortion entirely, I'm just against abortion when you are killing a human being because you were irresponsible and continue to be. Cases like rape, endangerment, other medical issues, ect, those are exceptions. However in America, those are the minority. As in fractions of a percentage of abortions.
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Omnoproxyl337 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
donno what kind of backwards argument that is at the start, but the fact of the matter is women have the right to choose what they do with their bodies even if it means removing said "parasite". it is still their decision to make regardless of your or anyone's opinion of irresponsibility or not, none can take that from them. the way I see it it's better to avoid bringing another life into the world rather than doing it but having it suffer the whole way through. So funny how people are so pro life yet after babies are born none seems to care if the circumstances of their birth and life are hell and would do nothing to support them while still trying to hold the moral high ground.
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Assassinendergirl Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Maybe because killing babies and not supporting babies that aren't yours are different situations? Life is rough, so I don't know what you mean by suffer. Everyone suffers, but who are you to say that we shouldn't give life to something because it may suffer? What if they decide to work their ass off and make a better life for themselves? We can't judge that prematurely, it's not our place. It is indeed the place of the law, however, to keep you from killing something.
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Omnoproxyl337 Featured By Owner Edited Dec 14, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If it were mine I would still leave the decision up to her, even if we cannot afford to live and take care of someone else even if we both work but live in poverty. It is not our place to deny them their right to choose. That is the bottom line weather we agree or not, a woman can and will choose even if some old man or woman sitting in an office completely disconnected from the people tells them what he or she thinks is best for other people. 
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Assassinendergirl Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Before I continue I want to thank you for having a civil discussion. This doesn't happen often, and I appreciate it.
I think the main point that we are disagreeing on is whether or not it actually is indeed the woman's right to choose. Since the fetus has its own heartbeat starting at 26 days, I feel it is a seperate being, therefore a decision of life or death can not be made without extreme circumstances, as in cases of rape and medical emergencies, which was explained beforehand. The thing that sickens me, and I'll be honest I almost hurled my lunch after seeing this, but most fetuses feel pain while getting aborted. Not all, but watching footage of the fetus comvulsing and trying to escape that which grabs it limb from limb and suck it out...it's just not a humane process. We either claw or vaccuum babies out of their haven, piece by piece, and many can feel every bit of pain that goes along with it.
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Assassinendergirl Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
*two not too, excuse my error
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MikisGR Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
Whatta??
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teapupart Featured By Owner Edited Oct 3, 2016
This is so sad. I genuinely wish the best for Polish women/people that would be effected by this.

<3 Power to you LiLaiRa for posting this, and props to the commenters willing to set aside their personal views to come to a peaceful agreement. You're all so wonderful!
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Tikam-Alun-Kunuri Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
The whole thing is scam based on internet bullshit. I've read the law and there's nothing like these stupid women (note I heavily respect the opposite gender) screamed. I just went "what the fuck" and realized whole thing was to cover up CETA, which will introduce GMO into Poland through European Union - GMO in out contry is strictly forbidden, unlike in EU.
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teapupart Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2016
ok so, just so I'm clear & on the same page as you, what you're arguing is that these thousands of women/protesters just got a wild hair up their asses to dress in black, abandon their day jobs, and stand outside on a rainy day to protest something that doesn't even exist(or is even a real proposition)? Or are you saying the real issue is related to GMO that's been piggybacked under this possible bill/proposal? I'm rather confused, as you're coming across as a bit hostile and derogatory :/
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Tikam-Alun-Kunuri Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
They protested something that hasn't even came from the government and government is to blame. They protested something without any deep insight into it first, most likely on basis of info took from the internet (and we know that we shouldn't take anything on internet as 100% sure). And finally - the fact they protested was highlighted more than a fact that GMO will be forced onto Poland via European Union, as CETA was signed. In short, whole protest was used as a smokescreen for the crap the European Union did sign and Poland will either have to change law (as we are one of very few countries within EU to outban GMO food entirely) or face the severe financial consequences for not allowing GMO into our markets.

We already know the drill made by EU after being threatened, as a country, to face fines as "we weren't allowing refugees in". The issue with that is we were giving shelter to them until we realized the refugees escaped further into West - because we do not offer benefits.
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Blue-Shiny-Scissors Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
You post on everyone's comments and it's getting annoying kindly stop
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AIM3RGAM3R1 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2016
This is irrational. We all know abortion is horrible but its necessary, do they how many people are going to possibly be killed by this? I mean fuck man, so what they want to have children living in orphanages or having abusive parents? 
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Lugia007 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2016
Zabijanie to nie wybór.
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Botteled-Wolf Featured By Owner Edited Oct 4, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Czasem to nie tyle wybór, co konieczność. Co się dzieje, gdy mamy np. ciążę pozamaciczną? Zarodek zagnieżdża się wtedy w jajowodzie, który jest nierozciągliwy zamiast w macicy, będącej dobrze umięśnionym i elastycznym narządem. Zarodek rośnie, w końcu rozrywa jajowód powodując potężny krwotok wewnętrzny, matka umiera, a wraz z nią zarodek. Mamy dwa trupy. Logiczne, prawda?

Nie ma trzeciego wyjścia z tej sytuacji, tego nie da się przeżyć, nie przerywając ciąży i nie usuwając zarodka.

A rybia łuska arlekinowa? Czy utrzymywanie na siłę przy życiu dziecka, którego skóra pęka przy każdym ruchu, oczy są wielkimi, krwawymi śliwkami, a jego percepcja rzeczywistości jest jednym wielkim bólem i cierpieniem, które szans na przeżycie dłużej niż tydzień i tak nie ma jest szlachetne? Przedłużanie czyjejś agonii przykryte maską miłosierdzia?
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Lugia007 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016
Czytałaś w ogóle tą ustawę? 
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Botteled-Wolf Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Treść ustawy treścią ustawy, ale bądźmy realistami. Już teraz lekarze nie chcą wykonywać aborcji wymaganych medycznie, a co dopiero, jeśli ta ustawa zostanie wprowadzona. To będzie tylko dodatkowa wymówka do tego, aby tego zabiegu nie wykonywać. Przypuszczam, że z dużą dozą prawdopodobieństwa takie sprawy będą trafiać do sądów. Lekarz będzie musiał udowodnić, że postąpił słusznie, chroniąc życie pacjentki. Już sam fakt procesu sądowego jest plamą na dobrej opinii medyka, a co dopiero, jeśli podpadnie "komuś z góry" i okaże się to być dobrą sposobnością do osobistych porachunków czy "pozbywania się" problematycznych obywateli.

Rybia łuska arlekinowa też nie jest zresztą "bezpośrednim zagrożeniem życia matki", bo nie wpływa bezpośrednio na jej organizm. Wpływa za to na niego poród, który jest dużym obciążeniem i może prowadzić do wielu komplikacji, czasem nawet do śmierci matki.
To samo acefalia albo bezmózgowie. Nikogo nie będzie obchodziło, że kobieta straci wzrok, rodząc dziecko nie mające szans na przeżycie, bo przecież przepis jest przepis. Przerwać ciąży nie można i już.
Nie mówiąc już o traumie matki, która patrzy na agonię swojego potomka.
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Szczurzyslawa Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016  Student General Artist
yeah exactly, mam wrażenie, że nikt tego nie czytał :/ bo gdyby serio co mówi czarny protest się miało dziać to bym stała po ich stronie, ale ta ustawa nie zmienia w sumie nic poza tym, że usuwa chyba że w przypadku gwałtu nie masz autmatycznego free pass for abortion? Bo tam jasno pisze, że wciąż usuwanie i wszelkie działania mające ratować życie i zdrowie matki są legalne więc tak jakby największy bulletpoint czarnego protestu jest przekłamany. 
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Varough Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Pozbywanie się czegoś co nawet nie jest człowiekiem tylko zlepkiem komorek, a co moze zniszczyć życie kobiety ktora mysli, czuje i ma cale zycie przed sobą jest wyborem.
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Lugia007 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016
Sam byłeś takim "zlepkiem komórek", który może mieć całe zycie przed sobą.
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:iconvarough:
Varough Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Sama*
Gdyby moja mama mnie zabortowala nie mialabym nic do powiedzenia bo zwyczajnie by mnie nie bylo
Wiec twoj argument kuleje
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zixans Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
children are, in technicality, parasites. they feed off of the mother, until it is grown and able to be removed. people should be allowed to remove the parasite if they so wish
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